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Web helps those looking to find a friend     ‘Platonic’ sites fill companionship void                  


The Buffalo News: By Stephen T. Watson NEWS STAFF REPORTER
Updated: 02/03/08 11:55 AM 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

There aren’t a lot of Buffalo Sabres fans in Salt Lake City, so Rachael Orejana went online to find someone who could talk to her about her favorite team.


David Hill responded to her ad on the “Strictly Platonic” section of craigslist.com, and the two became good Internet pals.


Last November, Orejana flew to Buffalo to visit Hill.


“I found him to be very much the same as the person I had talked on the phone [with] or chatted with online,” Orejana said. “We both commented that we were what we had expected.”


Orejana is one of a small but growing number of people who aren’t using the Web to find a girlfriend or boyfriend. They’re not looking for a sexual partner for the night.


They’re just looking for someone to hang out with. Honest.


“The stories behind a lot of it seem to be, ‘I just moved here,’ or ‘All my friends graduated and moved away,’ or ‘I don’t know why I don’t have any friends,’ ” said Derek Lackaff, a University at Buffalo graduate student who studies Web trends.


People today don’t meet friends the same ways we used to, experts said, in situations such as church socials, volunteer fire halls and bowling leagues.


Technology leaves us less connected to the person across the street but more connected to acquaintances around the world.


“We’re so busy with work and we’re so wound up with things, we may not have the time to make these initial connections without the tool of the Internet,” said Jeffrey J. McConnell, chairman of Canisius College’s Computer Science Department.


It’s no surprise that people are going online to find friends, since the computer and the Internet are so deeply integrated into their lives.


The craigslist Strictly Platonic section and sites for couples seeking friends, such as Couplesworldwide. com, are trying to meet this need — with mixed results. 


The Internet has always had a social component to it, with user groups and, later, message boards and chat rooms offering chances for people with similar interests to talk online.


Going mainstream


When online dating first became popular, users hid this fact from friends.


Today, it’s a mainstream activity, said Jennifer L. Smith of Buffalo, the AllThingsJennifer blogger, who met her fiance through Yahoo! personals.


And the Web is filled with places where people can find someone interested in a nostrings- attached sexual liaison.


The people using the platonic sites don’t want any of that.


“We are looking for ‘couple’ friends to spend fun times with. We are both in our late 50s and live in the area. We like going to the movies, theater, dinner, jazz, blues, quiet times, walks, and other fun things,” a couple from North Tonawanda wrote in a profile.


Users post ads titled “A Friend To Do Things With,” “Finding real friends is tough” and “Anyone wants to hang out.”


Strictly Platonic in Buffalo usually gets a smattering of posts each day. That total is swamped by the 60 or so posted each on the sexually oriented “Casual Encounters” section, though many of those seem to be fake.


Some of the Strictly Platonic listings aren’t entirely platonic, but all appear genuine.


One user wrote in December: “i like to go to walmart on friday nights or to the mall around the holidays just to people watch. i can cook or go out to dinner movies are so fun but not alone, wana go see one?” Does this actually work?


It did for Orejana, the hockey fan from the Salt Lake City area.


What’s ‘platonic?’


Orejana, a 35-year-old attorney for the federal government, is a Sabres fan even though she has never lived anywhere near Western New York.


She follows the team through a satellite cable package, but she didn’t have anyone to talk about Sabres with or to educate her on the game’s finer points.


She posted an ad on Strictly Platonic during the 2006-07 season. She got 25 replies, but just three were truly platonic.


“Some of those were from guys who were confused about what platonic meant,” Orejana said. “I think some of them thought platonic was Latin for ‘show me a picture of your body parts.’ ”


One of the three nonsketchy responses came from Hill, a big Sabres fan who said he’s always looking to meet new people.


Hill and Orejana both said their personalities clicked really well. Hill text-messaged Orejana with updates if she was stuck at work during a Sabres game, and Orejana sent Hill texts if he was somewhere he couldn’t watch a game.


Last fall, Orejana came here to visit Hill and to catch a game. She plans to return later this year for Hill’s wedding.


“She’s a great friend,” said Hill, a 27-year-old Medina resident.


For M.S., a Southtowns resident in her 30s, the Strictly Platonic section gave her a chance to put craigslist to good use after the site helped ruin her marriage.


M.S., who spoke on condition she be identified by her initials, had been married for 10 years when she said she caught her husband hiring escorts through craigslist.


She started divorce proceedings, but the transition to her new life has been difficult.


M.S. is not from this area, so she had mainly spent time with her husband’s family and friends.


“I realized I didn’t really have anybody to go out with,” said M.S., who is in her mid-30s. “Everybody I know is in banking. Your work is your life.”


Plenty of replies


She checked out craigslist, and posted a Strictly Platonic ad saying she wanted to find a friend to go dancing.


She got three responses and met one woman a couple of times, but it didn’t work out.


Roommates Metcalf and Quetglas posted an ad on Strictly Platonic because they wanted to find someone to keep Metcalf company while Quetglas is traveling overseas this spring.


They got a lot of replies from guys interested in Metcalf, but only five of 30 were legitimate.


At the time they spoke to The News, they’d met two people and planned to meet two more.


One woman, it turned out, was a musician and mystic who has written on Web forums that she was abducted by aliens.


“So it was a really interesting dinner,” Metcalf said.



 






 




Married ... with friends


By Jessica Yadegaran


CONTRA COSTA TIMES



Article Launched:07/14/2007 03:08:10 AM PDT


 PJ RHAE and Don Jackson have been married for a decade. In that time, the

Antioch couple known for their blow-out wine parties have made more friends than they can count.


"Most of our stories begin the same way,"

Jackson says. "It all started when we were drinking wine."


 Just a few weeks ago, in

Napa , a woman at Ceja Vineyards complimented Rhae's blouse, and before you could say Sangiovese, the couples were having dinner. In fact, Jackson and Rhae have met six different couples this way.


"With our personalities, it's not difficult to meet people,"

Jackson says. "We're a good team."


 So you've found your soul mate. Congratulations. But the need for friendships and connection never fades, no matter how strong your marriage or relationship. While you keep the girls from work and the guys from his softball league in your social circle, establishing new friendships together with like-minded couples can be a challenge.


 "If you meet a couple and you both like them, it's almost a miracle," says Karen Hobbs, an

Orinda psychologist.


Not only are you assessing people based on both of your opinions, but the reason you came together in the first place can say a lot about how you identify friends, Hobbs says.


 "If you (and your spouse) came together because you're exactly the same, then you'll have an easy time finding friends," she explains. "If you came together because you're totally different and you balance each other, it can be a bit more difficult (to make friends)."


Add to that attraction and the opposite sex, and it can get awkward.


"Opposite sex friendships often bring out issues of jealousy,"

Hobbs says. "It helps if the person (new friend) is married, though that doesn't stop a lot of people."


Hobbs says that women tend to instigate friendships, often at their children's school or related activities.


Kassie Wenzell, of

Walnut Creek , confirms that the majority of friendships she and her husband, Mike, have forged over the years revolve around their three children, ages 16, 18 and 20.


"The parents of our middle daughter turned out to be our core friends," Kassie Wenzell says. "Amy's friends were always here, so their parents were always here, too."


The Wenzells are known for their lively New Year's Eve parties, a tradition that started when they married and were living in

New Jersey 25 years ago. When they first moved to

California and didn't know anyone, Kassie Wenzell says she hopped on her bicycle and rode around the neighborhood, making acquaintances.


"You have to go and seek it, talk to people, take risks and move into the circle that you want to be in," she says.


Janice Thompson, of

Danville , took initiative as well. When Thompson and her husband, Kerry, relocated from

Los Angeles , they knew few people in the Bay Area. This is also the second marriage for both of them.


"Once you change spouses, you lose contact with some of those friendships and relationships," Kerry Thompson says. "We're in a new area, new beginnings. So we're looking to meet new people, and my wife said there's got to be a way to meet people without going to 15 different churches in the next two years."


The Thompsons found their way on Couplesworldwide.com, a MySpace for marrieds. Fill out an application, post your profile plus audio or video on the members-only site, and meet local couples who share your interests. In the Thompsons' case, that's dancing, theater and travel. Membership is free, and swingers are not welcome.


So far, the Thompsons have connected with couples from San Ramon,

Pleasant Hill and

Berkeley . They've met up with at least one for dinner.


"We've had conflicts, where I like the guy and she doesn't like the woman," Kerry Thompson says. "It is difficult to find someone who's perfect for you, but you have to put yourself out there."


Sound like dating? Kerry Thompson recognizes that, and laughs about it.


"Yeah, it's funny," he admits. "You have someone to share your life with, but now you're looking to enrich your life. We're social beings. We like meeting people and being a part of a group."


CEO Sheila Zamel launched the Calabasas-based Couplesworldwide last November when she remarried and moved from to

California . The days of making friends through Mommy and Me or her daughter's soccer games were over.


"When you're married and both working, it's tough," Zamel says. "You get home at six or seven, tired. It's hard to make friends. Where does one go?"


In addition to e-mails and pre-written "ice-breakers" for those shy types, the 3,000 international members on Couplesworldwide can use the site to locate off-line events, share a recipe or use their expertise to host a chat.


"Double your fun immediately," writes one

San Rafael couple. "Our single friends don't hang out with us and our married friends are boring," laments a pair from

Los Angeles .


Zamel has spoken with thousands of couples and believes there is a pressing need for couples to connect.


"I've seen a lot of couples who are lonely," she says. "We get into a rut and go out with the same couple who like the same restaurant and the same type of movie."


Even the uber-social Rhae and Jackson, of

Antioch , run into challenges. She's from

Oklahoma , he's from

Maryland , and they feel it's harder to make friends in

California .


"It's big and spread out,"

Jackson says. "People can be phony and status quo. They tend to fake and front."


Rhae says they've had to "break up" with such couples, or with those who flirt or aren't as genuine or accommodating as she and Jackson can be.


They've even written about some of these failed friendships in "Poems in the Key of Life," a book about relationships that the couple co-authored and self-published.


In the end, the couple's strategy for making friends is akin to a game of basketball, they say. It's all about team work and spotting inappropriate behavior -- the latter being something

Jackson never seems to catch, he admits. Especially if another woman is flirting with him.


"If I'm on the court, I have tunnel vision,"

Jackson explains. "I'm cutting left and I'm oblivious to what's going on. Meanwhile, PJ's up in the bleachers, noticing things I don't."


Jessica Yadegaran is a lifestyle writer for the Times. Reach her at jyadegaran@cctimes.com or 925-943-8155.


 


  How to find and make new friends


 Are you part of a couple and trying to make new friends? Try these tips:


 Instigate. When you meet new people, don't be afraid to put yourselves out there. Invite them to dinner. The more you instigate, the higher your chances of making friends.


Identify a common interest you and your partner share, then find a social outlet. Start a wine group, join a book club, take sailing lessons.


 If you're new to an area, research the neighborhood before you rent or buy. Are the people friendly? Does their age and demographic fit yours? Do they have frequent gatherings?


 Don't underestimate the old-fashioned way to meet quality people: your local church, temple or mosque, through a volunteer capacity, or through your kids.



 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

 
 
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